I wanted to do this post after I found the copy of the Bulletin, an English language journal from Brussels, that had an article called "So you think you have rights". The basic gist of it was that Belgium had a very different take on rights compared to Anglo-American. I'll post a scan of that cover when I find it.
A personal example, which I have mentioned before, was of the Mormon Missionaries who were arrested by the Belgian police since the Police weren't sure what exactly Mormon missionaries did. Of course, this was well before the film "Orgazmo" was released (sorry, I had to put that in). Anyway, Belgian law allows for the police to arrest someone for 48 hours and hold them just to check them out. The Mormons were fed a baguette and a litre of coffee every 4 hours. Something which doesn't happen in the USA. These poor buggers are suffering since they can't drink coffee and don't understand why the police can just pull them off the street for no reason.
Pesonally, I thought it would be a good idea to use the Cinquantinare as a shortcut home from a meeting only to be accounsted by half the Brussels police. I stood still and answered their questions since I was only going home. I handed them my passport when they asked for my ID, which meant they had the only cop who spoke English tell me "it was very dangerous to be in the park at night". I was tempted to respond that there were enough cops there that the park should have been pretty safe. I was told to go back the way I came.
The gist of this is that I hear a lot of talk from Americans about rights of all kinds, civic, individual, collective, god given, pre-exisiting, natural, human, and so on, but what the fuck does that really mean in practise?
Rights are entitlements or permissions, usually of a legal or moral nature. Rights are of vital importance in the fields of law and ethics.
The declaration of a right is an act comparable to law-giving, in the way that kings gave law. It is essentially a command or decree: do this, don't do that. Implicitly, the law is intended for enforcement, and is assumed to create an entitlement to enforce it. So declarations of rights are 'rule', in the political science sense. Declarations of rights are therefore fundamentally political acts, acts of policy. Anyone who issues and enforces declarations of rights is exercising political power. As you would expect, it is normally governments, and inter-governmental organisations, which issue the declarations. It is not an activity of oppressed individuals, as suggested by the propaganda.
Some people in history have indeed claimed rights - but most have had their rights declared for them by others. They are not allowed to renounce these 'declared rights'. The idea that a person must accept all rights declared for them, clearly contradicts the idea of political freedom. The human-rights tradition includes no element of consent. It is these aspects, which make the doctrine of human rights a license for oppression. Generally, rights have the following characteristics:
* a right is declared by one person or organisation, for another person
* usually, a right is declared by one person or organisation, for all human beings
* the consent of the other person or persons is not necessary, for the right to be declared
* there are certain actions (or restraint from certain actions) which constitute 'respect' of the right
* these actions (or restraint from action) may legitimately be taken
* there is usually a moral duty to take these actions (or restrain from certain action)
* the person with the 'right' has no moral grounds to oppose this action of respecting - even if they have not consented to the right in the first place
* therefore there are certain actions which may legitimately be taken against another, since they fulfil a moral obligation to respect a right, and these actions do not constitute a harm
* since there is a moral obligation to these actions, they are not wrong, even if consent for them is explicitly refused, and even if the person affected considers them a harm
Those are far-reaching claims by the rights theorists, and the human rights lobby. It is obvious, even from this summary, that the logic of rights interferes with the principle of moral autonomy.
Formally, what happens when a right is declared? The standard answer is: it creates a moral duty to respect it. But that is not all that happens. A right, once its existence is recognised, effectively divides all possible human actions into three categories: actions which respect that right, violations of the right, and actions which are neutral with respect to that right. Declaring a right is a declaration of a desired course of action, not necessarily action by the holders of the right. Implicitly, the declaration of a right promotes and legitimises actions to enforce that right.
Any harm to others can be justified by claiming that it is intended to respect certain 'rights', even if the victim does not know of their existence. Likewise, the right can be misinterpreted from what was originally intended to cause social harm. This is the case with the Second Amendment, which was originally intended to guarantee a Swiss style military to prevent a large standing army.
Somehow, that original intent has been perverted to prevent any regulation of firearms. A right to armed self-defence has been found where it is not explicitly present in the text. Thus a misinterpretation of the Second Amendment works against the original intent of the text, security of the free state.
Rights are not universal, they are not even 'western' or 'European'. Rights are clearly political in their nature. They are created by humans, not god, and specific humans for a specific reason. It is not in itself good to respect a right. Every right is itself subject to ethical assessment, to moral judgment. It can be wrong to respect a right, even a right that has been allegedly consented.
Even more interesting is the case when rights conflict: for example property rights and the current interpretation of "the right to keep and bear arms". If a property owner disagrees with the use of firearms, say gun free zones in Universities or on Secure Installations, should the "right to keep and bear arms" trump the property owner's right to keep firearms from their property?
Likewise, if the current interpretation of the Second Amendment right leads to societal costs in the form of additional police hours at mass shooting sites, the cost of treating victims of mass shootings and so on, should that right be respected? Should those who claim that right be bear the societal costs in the form of increased taxation? Take Chris Rock's example
Would it make more sense to just tax the fuck out of bullets and reloading supplies while not bothering with firearms in "deference to the Second Amendment right"?
The basic point I am making is that the US tends to make a great deal of rights. These rights impose the value system where they originate: the European liberal tradition, in particular Anglo-American liberalism. One finds that rights are not as much of an issue in other countries as they are in the United States.
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23 November 2009
21 November 2009
Take My Freedom, Not My Gun?
Liberal Viewer has a really super video about gun control.
I don't think I need to add to what is said in this video.
One issue that needs to be raised is the disparity in funding between the "gun rights" organisations and gun control organisations. The "gun rights" organisations groups are spending in the millions whereas the gun control organisations are spending in the thousands. gun control organisations roughly spend about a tenth of what "gun rights" organisations spend.
Is that really grass roots and the will of the people or astroturf and spin?
Are we just dealing with Freedom Parrots?
I don't think I need to add to what is said in this video.
One issue that needs to be raised is the disparity in funding between the "gun rights" organisations and gun control organisations. The "gun rights" organisations groups are spending in the millions whereas the gun control organisations are spending in the thousands. gun control organisations roughly spend about a tenth of what "gun rights" organisations spend.
Is that really grass roots and the will of the people or astroturf and spin?
Are we just dealing with Freedom Parrots?
13 October 2009
You don't allow for comments...
Well, that's just your tough luck that I don't want to hear from you. The First Amendment allows for freedom of speech and press, but it does not compel me to have to pay attention to anything that I don't care to give attention.
As I said in my Censorship piece: You have no right to read this.
The First Amendment gives me the right to write it, but doesn't necessarily give you the right to read it. While the right to free speech certainly infers a corresponding right to hear what is being spoken or written, the First Amendment doesn't explicitly grant such a right to read anything you want. So theoretically, it could be argued that no such right exists.
The key word being "theoretically". As a practical matter, the freedom to read whatever we choose is such an intrinsic part of the US or British national character as to make legal theory superfluous. People would rise in outrage if government ever attempted to proscribe what they read. Theory and reality are often two different things.
Add in that my ability to write or say what I want will allow ideas to get out, even if there are attempts to censor them.
The Bill of Rights protects me from Governmental action, not private action. I don't need to hear what you want to say, but I can't stop you from saying it. Also, I can prevent you from saying it on my "property". So, if a property holder wishes to prevent someme from exercising a right, he is within his rights as a property holder. This makes for conflicting rights if a business owner wishes to prevent someone from bringing a firearm onto his property.
Which right rules: the right of property or the right to keep and bear arms? That question might be too much for your tiny brain to grasp.
So, I don't really need to hear what you have to say for those of you who feel this urge to insult me because I challenge your beliefs. I am not forcing my beliefs on you.
I can pick and choose what I want to hear and listen to. I would prefer to listen to someone who offers constructive criticism, not every ignorant jerk with access to the internet.
Additionally, I do not need to give the gun cretin crowd opportunity to voice their opinions as they are strewn all over the internet. They don't need any additional fora for their nonsense.
I know, that takes all the fun out of it. You have this hostility that you have to inflict on others, but you are left alone wanking at the keyboard in frustration.
Well, that's your tough luck. Just don't get the keyboard too messy with your wanking.
As I said in my Censorship piece: You have no right to read this.
The First Amendment gives me the right to write it, but doesn't necessarily give you the right to read it. While the right to free speech certainly infers a corresponding right to hear what is being spoken or written, the First Amendment doesn't explicitly grant such a right to read anything you want. So theoretically, it could be argued that no such right exists.
The key word being "theoretically". As a practical matter, the freedom to read whatever we choose is such an intrinsic part of the US or British national character as to make legal theory superfluous. People would rise in outrage if government ever attempted to proscribe what they read. Theory and reality are often two different things.
Add in that my ability to write or say what I want will allow ideas to get out, even if there are attempts to censor them.
The Bill of Rights protects me from Governmental action, not private action. I don't need to hear what you want to say, but I can't stop you from saying it. Also, I can prevent you from saying it on my "property". So, if a property holder wishes to prevent someme from exercising a right, he is within his rights as a property holder. This makes for conflicting rights if a business owner wishes to prevent someone from bringing a firearm onto his property.
Which right rules: the right of property or the right to keep and bear arms? That question might be too much for your tiny brain to grasp.
So, I don't really need to hear what you have to say for those of you who feel this urge to insult me because I challenge your beliefs. I am not forcing my beliefs on you.
I can pick and choose what I want to hear and listen to. I would prefer to listen to someone who offers constructive criticism, not every ignorant jerk with access to the internet.
Additionally, I do not need to give the gun cretin crowd opportunity to voice their opinions as they are strewn all over the internet. They don't need any additional fora for their nonsense.
I know, that takes all the fun out of it. You have this hostility that you have to inflict on others, but you are left alone wanking at the keyboard in frustration.
Well, that's your tough luck. Just don't get the keyboard too messy with your wanking.
22 March 2008
Why none of the "public interest groups" want a definitive answer on Heller.
Quite frankly, if the SCOTUS does the sane and sensible thing by reiterating US v. Miller in idiot proof, plain English, then there will be an end to the interminable fund raising letters, e-mails, etcetera I receive. Not to mention the road will be indeed cleared for the possibility of a gun ban. Perhaps we will see much needed talk of gun responsibilities, rather than fictitious "gun rights".
On the other hand, finding "an individual right" outside of militia service will guarantee that there will be loads of litigation. We'll see loads more trash written about the "individual right". It'll be the gravy train for "Second Amendment" lawyers and scholars. Someone reading these blogs might offer me a lucrative job, especially if whatever opinion generated is not unanimous.
On the other hand, probably not since I would much prefer that my real Second Amendment right of being free from standing armies were implemented rather than some nonsensical right which never was intended to be part of the whole shebang. I would want to see an end to this and make the Second Amendment the dead letter it is for firearms ownership once and for all.
To be quite honest, I don't mind expanding rights in a Roe v. Wade fashion if it truly impinges upon something which affects only a person and his/her personal life. I do mind when the right leads to high social costs which is undeniable about "gun violence".
The RKBA crowd has a sticker which says "fear the government that fears your gun".
I say "fear the government which tells you how to run your personal life and doesn't care about the welfare of its citizens".
I don't want the government telling someone that she can or cannot have children. Worse, forcing children into this world without parents who want them. Especially if that government is unwilling to shoulder the burden of raising those children. Even more so when it is all too willing to pay to incarcerate those children rather than pay to properly educate them.
The government has no business telling me what I should believe as far as religion goes. Even more so since the Constitution says that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States" and that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." That means public officials should keep their arses out of proselytising.
I agree with Justice McReynolds when he said the liberty guaranteed by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment included an individual's right "to contract, to engage in any of the common occupations of life, to acquire useful knowledge, to marry, to establish a home and bring up children, to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience, and generally to enjoy privileges, essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."
This means that I can do what I will if it doesn't lead to harming others. Unfettered firearms ownership does harm others. The cost of gun violence in terms of law enforcement, legal process, health care, etcetera is astronomical. Firearm ownership also makes no sense in a city for a multitude of reasons. And if a legislature also reaches that conclusion, it is not the place of the courts to come and second guess the legislative process.
On the other hand, finding "an individual right" outside of militia service will guarantee that there will be loads of litigation. We'll see loads more trash written about the "individual right". It'll be the gravy train for "Second Amendment" lawyers and scholars. Someone reading these blogs might offer me a lucrative job, especially if whatever opinion generated is not unanimous.
On the other hand, probably not since I would much prefer that my real Second Amendment right of being free from standing armies were implemented rather than some nonsensical right which never was intended to be part of the whole shebang. I would want to see an end to this and make the Second Amendment the dead letter it is for firearms ownership once and for all.
To be quite honest, I don't mind expanding rights in a Roe v. Wade fashion if it truly impinges upon something which affects only a person and his/her personal life. I do mind when the right leads to high social costs which is undeniable about "gun violence".
The RKBA crowd has a sticker which says "fear the government that fears your gun".
I say "fear the government which tells you how to run your personal life and doesn't care about the welfare of its citizens".
I don't want the government telling someone that she can or cannot have children. Worse, forcing children into this world without parents who want them. Especially if that government is unwilling to shoulder the burden of raising those children. Even more so when it is all too willing to pay to incarcerate those children rather than pay to properly educate them.
The government has no business telling me what I should believe as far as religion goes. Even more so since the Constitution says that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States" and that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." That means public officials should keep their arses out of proselytising.
I agree with Justice McReynolds when he said the liberty guaranteed by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment included an individual's right "to contract, to engage in any of the common occupations of life, to acquire useful knowledge, to marry, to establish a home and bring up children, to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience, and generally to enjoy privileges, essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."
This means that I can do what I will if it doesn't lead to harming others. Unfettered firearms ownership does harm others. The cost of gun violence in terms of law enforcement, legal process, health care, etcetera is astronomical. Firearm ownership also makes no sense in a city for a multitude of reasons. And if a legislature also reaches that conclusion, it is not the place of the courts to come and second guess the legislative process.
19 February 2008
Let me get this straight...
The RKBA answer to the problem of out of control guns is always to add more guns to the situation. Usually handguns, which are perfectly useless for any real defensive purpose. The RKBA crowd also wants to have these guns concealed. Personally, I prefer a Remington 870 or an M4. In fact, I would like to walk around carrying a para stock minimi (M249 SAW to you septics).
I think that carrying a long gun in the open is far more of a deterrent than a handgun which is concealed in an inconvenient place. People are less likely to commit a crime is they know they will be shot. Besides the Second Amendment says "bear arms" and court cases have come out that concealed weapons are not under the scope of the Second Amendment. But, that is not really my point.
The RKBA answer is that criminal, lunatics, terrorists, and other disqualified persons from purchasing firearms will always have access to firearms, so why make it difficult for them to get them in the first place? I mean it makes far more sense to the RKBA crowd to deal with the crime that is generated rather than prevent it.
The RKBA line is akin to "stop rape, say yes" or "burglars will get into your house, so leave the doors and windows open".
I mean criminals walk around with concealed weapons, so let's make it easier for people to walk around with concealed weapons. School and bar shootings happen, so let's make it easier to go into schools and places where alcohol is served with a firearm.
It's rather funny that Eric Thompson, the owner of Internet-based TGSCOM Inc., this is the Internet firearms retailer who sold guns and accessories to the shooters involved in the Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University incidents, is now promoting a concealed weapons law. Thompson called the purchases an unfortunate coincidence but said it's led him to believe he now has a "special responsibility to do all I can to try and prevent further loss of life."
Gee, Eric, maybe you should open a candle shop. It's too bad this guy isn't getting whacked with a serious law suit. Maybe that might make him think about personal responsibility. On the other hand, Eric probably doesn't feel too much guilt about being an instrumentality in two mass shootings. It's just a business to him.
Problem is, Eric, that your business is selling the instrumentalities used in killing. Think about that one.
Thompson is opening a website called www.gundebate.com, which is yet another one of those RKBA sites which will insist on more guns into an already oversaturated market and less responsibility.
Now, there is the dichotomy in the Liberal-Conservative debate which seems to get lost when the RKBA crowd come in and it's called "personal responsibility". Isn't the real responsibility if someone is selling dangerous items to make sure that people who will abuse them NOT have access to these items? Unfortunately, the RKBA crowd will use every linguistic trick in the book to try to hide the fact that they are putting others at risk. The RKBA crowd is as irresponsible as you can get when it comes down to public safety.
They hide behind something which was designed for "the Security of the Free State" and do everything to ensure that it is not a secure state. In fact, by claiming a right without accepting the incumbent responsibilities, they are putting the state at risk. In fact, they really aren't claiming the right which is mentioned in the Second Amendment.
The Second Amendment doesn't mention self-defence, hunting, and the right of revolt. The last one is an absolute absurdity (right of revolt against a tyrannical government). None of these concepts are mentioned in the Constitution. In fact, the last one (right of revolt against a tyrannical government) is mentioned, but not as a right. It is mentioned as the crime of treason in Article III, Section iii.
The debates about the Second Amendment deal with the Federal military establishment versus a State Militia. The fear was of a Standing Army, which 18th Century types believed was the tool of a tyrant. The Constitution is filled with devices to keep the military in check, one of which was the Second Amendment.
Unfortunately, the military budget is several trillion dollars, which is a violation of my right under the Second Amendment to be free of a standing army.
As I have said, the Second Amendment is an anachronism which needs to be understood. It doesn't need to be repealed, since it is meaningless. The militia system as conceived at the time the Constitution was written was non-existent. In fact, it was a military establishment (the French) that won the War for independence. The United States would be a whole lot better if its "leaders" would show some backbone and stop kow-towing to imaginary rights and silly myths.
As for RKBA attempts at patriotism, I refer to Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.
I think that carrying a long gun in the open is far more of a deterrent than a handgun which is concealed in an inconvenient place. People are less likely to commit a crime is they know they will be shot. Besides the Second Amendment says "bear arms" and court cases have come out that concealed weapons are not under the scope of the Second Amendment. But, that is not really my point.
The RKBA answer is that criminal, lunatics, terrorists, and other disqualified persons from purchasing firearms will always have access to firearms, so why make it difficult for them to get them in the first place? I mean it makes far more sense to the RKBA crowd to deal with the crime that is generated rather than prevent it.
The RKBA line is akin to "stop rape, say yes" or "burglars will get into your house, so leave the doors and windows open".
I mean criminals walk around with concealed weapons, so let's make it easier for people to walk around with concealed weapons. School and bar shootings happen, so let's make it easier to go into schools and places where alcohol is served with a firearm.
It's rather funny that Eric Thompson, the owner of Internet-based TGSCOM Inc., this is the Internet firearms retailer who sold guns and accessories to the shooters involved in the Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University incidents, is now promoting a concealed weapons law. Thompson called the purchases an unfortunate coincidence but said it's led him to believe he now has a "special responsibility to do all I can to try and prevent further loss of life."
Gee, Eric, maybe you should open a candle shop. It's too bad this guy isn't getting whacked with a serious law suit. Maybe that might make him think about personal responsibility. On the other hand, Eric probably doesn't feel too much guilt about being an instrumentality in two mass shootings. It's just a business to him.
Problem is, Eric, that your business is selling the instrumentalities used in killing. Think about that one.
Thompson is opening a website called www.gundebate.com, which is yet another one of those RKBA sites which will insist on more guns into an already oversaturated market and less responsibility.
Now, there is the dichotomy in the Liberal-Conservative debate which seems to get lost when the RKBA crowd come in and it's called "personal responsibility". Isn't the real responsibility if someone is selling dangerous items to make sure that people who will abuse them NOT have access to these items? Unfortunately, the RKBA crowd will use every linguistic trick in the book to try to hide the fact that they are putting others at risk. The RKBA crowd is as irresponsible as you can get when it comes down to public safety.
They hide behind something which was designed for "the Security of the Free State" and do everything to ensure that it is not a secure state. In fact, by claiming a right without accepting the incumbent responsibilities, they are putting the state at risk. In fact, they really aren't claiming the right which is mentioned in the Second Amendment.
The Second Amendment doesn't mention self-defence, hunting, and the right of revolt. The last one is an absolute absurdity (right of revolt against a tyrannical government). None of these concepts are mentioned in the Constitution. In fact, the last one (right of revolt against a tyrannical government) is mentioned, but not as a right. It is mentioned as the crime of treason in Article III, Section iii.
The debates about the Second Amendment deal with the Federal military establishment versus a State Militia. The fear was of a Standing Army, which 18th Century types believed was the tool of a tyrant. The Constitution is filled with devices to keep the military in check, one of which was the Second Amendment.
Unfortunately, the military budget is several trillion dollars, which is a violation of my right under the Second Amendment to be free of a standing army.
As I have said, the Second Amendment is an anachronism which needs to be understood. It doesn't need to be repealed, since it is meaningless. The militia system as conceived at the time the Constitution was written was non-existent. In fact, it was a military establishment (the French) that won the War for independence. The United States would be a whole lot better if its "leaders" would show some backbone and stop kow-towing to imaginary rights and silly myths.
As for RKBA attempts at patriotism, I refer to Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.
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